Abstract

This exchange reflects on the broadcast work of Stuart Marshall and takes the form of a conversation between Rebecca Dobbs and Caroline Spry. Rebecca Dobbs (RD) was Marshall’s producer for his television programmes from 1987 to 1994 through her production company, Maya Vision. Caroline Spry (CS) was a commissioning editor at Channel 4, from 1985 to 1995, in the Independent Film and Video Department (IFVD), which commissioned his broadcast work.
Stuart was rooted in a rich matrix of art and politics; music and psychoanalysis; theory and practice. He worked with the London Filmmakers Co-op and co-founded London Video Arts (LVA) in 1976; he created music/sound, video, theatrical events and installations in the United States, Europe and the United Kingdom throughout the 1970s and early 1980s (see, CV included in the dossier). Through his teaching, writing and moving image work he sought to refocus, disrupt and challenge established narratives. I think he saw himself as part of two independent video communities; he was an artist and a political activist using the tools at his disposal. Television before Channel 4 had no attraction for Stuart and in its turn the BBC and ITV would probably not have entertained a Stuart Marshall programme.
The 1970s saw the flourishing of a vibrant independent film and video production sector spawning a plethora of production cooperatives and workshops as well as alternative exhibition and distribution networks. London Video Arts, which Stuart co-founded in 1976, was part of this movement.
The notion of opposition was extremely important. The work of many of the evolving filmmaking practices of the 1970s were positioned in opposition to the industry practices of the time. This was particularly true of those seeking to intervene in the most culturally pervasive of the media – television – where the films and videos they produced found almost no screen time. I think Stuart’s development as an artist and video maker during these years was formed against this backdrop of a non-vanguardist approach that aimed at reaching a larger audience.
Many Conservative legislators felt their support for the new Channel had been betrayed by the ambiguous permissiveness of its remit. As Isaacs noted, Norman Tebbit complained that he had ‘got it all wrong…“doing all these programmes for homosexuals and such.” (We’d only done one, actually.) “Parliament never meant that sort of thing…Golf and sailing and fishing. Hobbies. That’s what we intended”’ (1989: 65).
Programmes shown as part of IFVD’s schedule were progressively oppositional in content, form and process, challenging the government’s neo-liberal and socially conservative values. As well as dealing with the Troubles in Northern Ireland and sexuality, our programmes included polemical films on issues such as nuclear policy, Poland, the welfare state and the role of the police. These often ignored the conventions of balance at the heart of conventional current affairs and documentaries.
Formal experimentation was explored in screenings of avant-garde filmmakers, seasons of new video and Super 8. Those engaging directly with television through new commissions were also supported in their experimental approach, resulting in programmes such as the ‘Pictures of Women’ series (1984), Nicaragua (1985) and Handsworth Songs (1986).
IFVD was also one of the main funders of the film and video workshop movement in Britain. Born in the 1960s with groups such as Amber Films in Newcastle and Cinema Action in London, and extending into the 1970s and 1980s with Sankofa, Black Audio Collective, Sheffield Women’s Film Co-op, VET and Four Corners, these workshops developed a range of production, training, exhibition and outreach activities which challenged the existing industry models.
It is important to look a bit more closely at the notion of gay and lesbian communities and audiences, which suggests a homogenous collective consciousness with clearly defined needs and demands. Gay men and lesbians were, and are, as diverse as the rest of the population, but the coherent demand for representation at the time, together with common points of struggle enabled the identification of a somehow definable gay audience. The politics of this were firmly rooted in the liberation struggles of the 1960s and 1970s.
One of the areas of programme making that I initiated at C4 was the establishment of a unique space within broadcasting for work with gay and lesbian content made primarily by gay and lesbian filmmakers and specifically addressing those audiences. Since it took to the air in 1982, C4 had shown a small number of programmes, films and series dealing with gay and lesbian stories and issues. These included One in Five (1983), Framed Youth: Revenge of the Teenage Perverts (1983) and a season of gay and lesbian film and video, In the Pink (1986), which premiered the US documentary, The Times of Harvey Milk (Robert Epstein, 1984), on UK television.
These programmes caused considerable controversy, particularly within the tabloids and on the Conservative government benches. In December 1982, only a month after the channel launched, Conservative MP John Carlisle demanded that the Independent Broadcasting Authority, which regulated C4, should ‘tell Channel 4 to “clean up or get out”’ (Anon, 1982) in a Commons debate largely initiated by the as-yet to be broadcast, One in Five. C4’s media response was to defend the programmes, but also to reassure concerned viewers with comments to the press such as: ‘We do a few gay programmes, and will carry on doing them. They go at carefully placed times, late in the evening, when most people can easily avoid them’ (Anon, 1987).
The space for consistent and high-profile commissioning and scheduling of gay programmes was a battle hard fought within the channel and beyond. A notable and predictable opponent was Mary Whitehouse, who announced on behalf of the National Viewers and Listeners Association that she had written to C4 and other television companies warning against programmes suggesting that to be gay is normal or to be recommended ‘in the light of…an AIDS epidemic’ (1986). I think it is fair to say that the AIDS crisis, together with the controversy surrounding the government’s Clause 28 legislation designed to prohibit the promotion of homosexuality in schools, opened up discussions about sexuality on television in the 1980s.
An explosion of programmes in 1986/87, including an AIDS week across the three public service and one commercial broadcasters in the United Kingdom, happened as a response to the growing concern about the spread of AIDS in the heterosexual community. However, the impact of AIDS on the gay community and the high profile of gay campaigners working around the issue meant a much greater visibility of gay men in society and in the media.
Television’s response to the struggle around Clause 28 also reflected the status the campaign achieved in the political arena. The support of high-profile politicians and commentators in all areas of public life; the high visibility of such figures as Ian McKellen and Michael Cashman; the size and nature of demonstrations—the marches and direct action in the form of the House of Lords abseil and the Six O’Clock BBC News invasion—made it the stuff of television. AIDS and Clause 28 meant that for the first time, probably since the Sexual Offences Act in 1967, homosexuality was at the forefront of a significant and widespread public debate about sexuality.
The impetus was there for a major commitment by C4 to gay and lesbian programmes and it came in the form of the first series of ‘Out on Tuesday’, which started on Valentine’s Day 1989. It ran for 8 weeks at 11 p.m. and was largely a magazine format with two to three linked items in each programme introduced by ‘gay celebrities’ including McKellen, Paul Gambacinni, Beatrix Campbell, Audre Lorde and Julian Clary. In many ways, the post-Gay Liberation Front (GLF) proliferation of the gay press had provided a public platform for gay and lesbian issues prior to C4 and the magazine format for ‘Out on Tuesday’ was driven largely by what was popular on TV at that time and the need to encompass a wide range of gay/lesbian voices.
The idea of catering for the whole range of tastes and interests across the gay and lesbian communities in 8 hours was, of course, impossible. My priorities were gender balance, a range of forms and high production values, as well as cultivating and resourcing a burgeoning sector of gay and lesbian filmmakers. Making a lot of shorter items across all 8 weeks would have been a way of trying to meet the challenges posed by the series, but depth and time for reflection were also important. The ideas that Stuart proposed for the series were consistently significant and complex with a strong visual and sound approach that called for longer screen time. He went on to edit feature-length versions of some of his programmes, for example, Desire (1990), for exhibition in cinema and festival contexts.
Following that first meeting with Stuart in 1987, he sent me a long proposal for a film he called ‘Survivors’, which would become Desire. It was incredibly well researched and echoed many of the concerns of Bright Eyes in its exploration of the historical stigmatisation of gays. In his covering letter to me, he said that he had thought ‘it would be a fairly simple oral history project about the experiences of lesbians and gay men in concentration camps’ but that his research had led him to want make a programme which goes some way towards ‘understanding the complexity of the Nazi attitudes towards sexuality’ (Marshall, 1987; see Figure 1). What emerged from Stuart’s approach was a complex weaving of history, politics, psychoanalysis, philosophy and individual stories. It was also beautiful, moving and accessible. We ran Desire in Programme 3 of the ‘Out on Tuesday’ series. It was introduced by McKellen and lasted for the whole hour-long slot, achieving an audience of almost 1.3 million viewers and very positive responses from critics, viewers and within C4. I think the possibility of achieving this kind of impact was central to Stuart’s engagement with television.

Letter from Stuart Marshall to Caroline Spry, proposing the idea of ‘Survivors’, 2 November 1987. Reprinted with kind permission of Caroline Spry.
The film was shot on 16-mm film and we made two different versions: one 88-minute film for cinema distribution, the other a 55-minute to fit a C4 hour was transferred to tape to broadcast. The cinema version was selected for the Berlin Film Festival, and other festivals around the world, winning the audience prize in Turin, while the television version was nominated for the Grierson award. In Desire, Stuart traced the developing cultural and political attitudes towards sexuality in Germany from 1910 to 1945, during which time competing forces struggled to define the parameters of masculinity and femininity. Interviews with historians and eyewitnesses documented the history of the homosexual rights movement and the social and sexual experiments of the revolutionary Weimar period, which culminated in the extreme persecution of sexual nonconformists under the Nazis. And yet the film was beautiful, even lyrical, as images of the German landscape and Nazi architecture were set to the music of Schubert and Mahler.
All Stuart’s films started with a very intense period of research, from which we would write a proposal. In the IFVD, the commissioning process was often in two stages, so if Caroline liked the idea we would put in a development budget promising to deliver a script, schedule and budget at the end of the development period. For Stuart, this was the time in which he thought about the ‘how’ of making the film and we thought about interviewees, locations, music, graphics – mood, style, image systems. Style and content: form and function continually met and changed each other. We did a fantastic initial interview with Marion de Ras from the University of Amsterdam, who had done her PhD in Body Culture and Female Culture in the German Youth movement – 1900-1934 (see de Ras, 2012). She introduced me (perhaps Stuart already knew these ways of seeing) to the binary of ‘nature’ and ‘civilisation’ in German thought in the 1930s and the symbolism of the natural world as either male or female—’the flowing river is male and the still lake is female’ (quote from Desire). This, of course, helped to create one of the recurring image systems within the film and directed the research into the picture archives. Finally, these image systems informed the graphics used in the film (always done by Royston Edwards, Stuart’s partner and a very accomplished designer who started XL Design and Accident). In some cases, we already knew the music we wanted to use over a sequence, and this affected how we shot the scene. For example, the music at the end of the film is Mahler’s Rückert-Lieder, ‘Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen/I am lost to the world’. We knew this would go over the crane shot that starts on the commemorative pink triangle on the ground and ends in the clouds – so music determined the pace of the move. With Stuart, every choice was deliberate: nothing was purely stylistic and nothing was incidental. ‘Precision, resonance and rhetorical force’, as the Toronto Star put it, ‘that mark [Desire] as ‘one of the best filmed social histories of recent years’ (quoted in Dobbs, 1993).
At this time, Positively Healthy was holding meetings at Maya Vision – Stuart was Co-Chair – and as increasing numbers of lesbians and gay men with something to say were working through Maya Vision, we decided to hold weekly film workshops to help develop skills and knowledge. Stuart, ever the teacher, understood that to create a counter discourse within television, the messengers had to understand the medium: the better to challenge and re-frame it
By 1992, Stuart became increasingly worried about the medical establishment’s control of the narrative of HIV = AIDS = DEATH and started to research a film about alternative treatment options for people with HIV. (Stuart was a proponent of Dr Joseph Sonnabend’s multi-factorial hypothesis of HIV-AIDS that held out for other potential causes of AIDS other than the HIV virus. Yet Sonnabend and others like Michael Callen conceded HIV as the sole cause well before Stuart’s death.) This film was never completed, but Stuart was talking to people with HIV and their doctors, while also digging into case histories of some of the earliest descriptions of AIDS like symptoms. He was in California on a research trip when he became very ill. At the same time, he was also compiling material for a project that he called, ‘The Archive’, (reprinted in this dossier), which became A Bit of Scarlet (1997), directed by Andrea Weiss and produced by me after his death. This was again Stuart at his most playful, mining British classic movies for overt and hidden references, some real some imposed, with which to delight gay and lesbian audiences and expose the paucity of ‘real’ representation in the history of cinema.
Stuart was a prolifically creative gay man and political activist, he published essays on film and video and insisted on presenting alternative interpretations of sexual politics. He came to love the democracy of television—the broadcasting of ideas—and saw it as one of the spaces that artists and agitators, the marginalised, the hidden and the threatened had to move into in order to challenge the discourse, reframe the argument and in a John Berger sense change our ways of seeing (see Berger, 2008). But for Stuart, as for many of us, at that time the AIDS crisis underpinned and affected everything. The last word is Stuart’s. There remains, however, a space for intervention and contestation and this is provided by those media – performance, visual arts, video, film, printed media – through which the AIDS affected communities can and do address themselves. Only through these media is there a possibility of opening up the contradictions within the apparent homogeneity of medical discourse or of producing radically different conceptualizations of the body, disease and health. In this way it is possible to produce new representations which offer new possibilities for identification, which speak complex, difficult and contradictory experiences of AIDS. It is only through these media that we can hope to find decent, respectful representations of AIDS and its impact upon the affected communities. It is only through these media that we can communicate the information upon which our very survival depends. (Marshall, 1990)
